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  • That's what I remember too. 38-0 and it wasn't that close. UVA surprised a few teams last year who overlooked them. I see 5-6 wins this year.

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  • GC1 said...

    That's what I remember too. 38-0 and it wasn't that close. UVA surprised a few teams last year who overlooked them. I see 5-6 wins this year.

    ^^^ Underrated post. Keep in mind UVA caught a lot of teams off guard last year. They wont have that luxury this year. They will have everyones attention that they play...we'll see how they do now.

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  • I think a lot of teams had one eye shut and the other half open when they played uva last year....before you knew it you are behind saying wtf and tend to press....mistakes happen...we on the other hand came into the game at hooville with both eyes wide open...locked and loaded...if one looks at the film from that game and does an unbiased evaluation it is crystal clear that tech dominates across the board....uva might be better but they are no where near best.....the program still has a very long way to go...this year with the significant loss of starters and the fact that they are not gonna sneak up on anyone we can evaluate the program a little better....the little hoo trolls on this site can say all they want but the fact remains big brother is getting better as well....soooo...sometimes when you wake that sleeping dog,..he just might want to take a big bite out of your....well you know...biggrin

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  • 78hokie said...

    I think a lot of teams had one eye shut and the other half open when they played uva last year....before you knew it you are behind saying wtf and tend to press....mistakes happen...we on the other hand came into the game at hooville with both eyes wide open...locked and loaded...if one looks at the film from that game and does an unbiased evaluation it is crystal clear that tech dominates across the board....uva might be better but they are no where near best.....the program still has a very long way to go...this year with the significant loss of starters and the fact that they are not gonna sneak up on anyone we can evaluate the program a little better....the little hoo trolls on this site can say all they want but the fact remains big brother is getting better as well....soooo...sometimes when you wake that sleeping dog,..he just might want to take a big bite out of your....well you know...

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  • Bottom line is UV had a charmin squeezin soft schedule. Pretty hard to do worse than what they did with that slate. They have another easy schedule this year, but go ahead and chalk up another loss to VT.

    Hoobies may be able to fool some 18 year old kids, but don't pretend like grown men can't see the clear difference.

    Loudoun Hokie

  • ScottsdaleHokie said...

    Maybe, but what I remember is 38-0. Two highly rated qbs? If Sims is one of them, I am not sure the rating is panning out. We shall see. I think you are giving them far too much credit and I don't think I am kidding myself or anyone else. The other part is that if I recall correctly, Groh recruited well, too -- on paper. He could not do much with what he recruited. (And he had some winning seasons). So far, I don't see an appreciable difference with London, except that he signs a lot of players who do not appear to be of a high D1 level apparently so he can make "inroads" into that area. I would love to hear how I am wrong.

    so with that theory.....i guess we might as well concede a loss to Clemson...they domimated us in 2 games last year.

    and most teams lose to the "best" teams they play....we lose to Clemson twice...that is why they are considered the better teams...they win more...some are quick to point out the close games or losses to lesser teams...well they beat GT, FSU, Miami...we can't call those good wins for VT, if they don't count as good wins for the hoos.

    i am not trying to argue UVa is the second coming, but some are pretty dismissive of what is actually going one...better talent, means better product on the field....and with some of that talent being kids who grew up VT fans or would in years past would attend VT, well it may hurt sooner than later.

    guys in VA that would not sniff UVA a few years ago now visit and consider them, some are committing...many which VT wants too.

    Groh recruited well and they had a few good years with those recruits (not up to the hype for sure, but he was 2 time ACC coach of year), but then Groh acted like Groh and burned bridges and his last 3 years at UVA had very poor recruiting classes on the whole

    from what i have seen transfers rarely work out, especially at the QB position...Paulus from UNC to W&M, Aaron Corp from USCal to Uof R (i think he still has a year and may have gotten inured last year, but don't think he did much before that).

    So while UVa has a ton left to prove, they are no doubt improving...they are improving in recruiting, they improved on the field (will it be sustained, i don't know), London has improved their national relevance and brand....

    and he is still playing with Groh's worst recruiting classes..

    I hope he and UVA flop as much, if not more than others..but constantly saying 38-0 or we own them, really overlooks alot of things.

    with all that being said.

    F the hoos.

    mnhvt

  • mnhvt said...

    so with that theory.....i guess we might as well concede a loss to Clemson...they domimated us in 2 games last year.

    and most teams lose to the "best" teams they play....we lose to Clemson twice...that is why they are considered the better teams...they win more...some are quick to point out the close games or losses to lesser teams...well they beat GT, FSU, Miami...we can't call those good wins for VT, if they don't count as good wins for the hoos.

    i am not trying to argue UVa is the second coming, but some are pretty dismissive of what is actually going one...better talent, means better product on the field....and with some of that talent being kids who grew up VT fans or would in years past would attend VT, well it may hurt sooner than later.

    guys in VA that would not sniff UVA a few years ago now visit and consider them, some are committing...many which VT wants too.

    Groh recruited well and they had a few good years with those recruits (not up to the hype for sure, but he was 2 time ACC coach of year), but then Groh acted like Groh and burned bridges and his last 3 years at UVA had very poor recruiting classes on the whole

    from what i have seen transfers rarely work out, especially at the QB position...Paulus from UNC to W&M, Aaron Corp from USCal to Uof R (i think he still has a year and may have gotten inured last year, but don't think he did much before that).

    So while UVa has a ton left to prove, they are no doubt improving...they are improving in recruiting, they improved on the field (will it be sustained, i don't know), London has improved their national relevance and brand....

    and he is still playing with Groh's worst recruiting classes..

    I hope he and UVA flop as much, if not more than others..but constantly saying 38-0 or we own them, really overlooks alot of things.

    with all that being said.

    F the hoos.

    You still give them too much credit. I just do not see the improvement in recruiting. When they do it on the field, I will be happy to change my view. I just do not think it is going to happen now or in the future. To put it simply, last year -- especially under Mike London -- was their peak. (And it was not all that good). The best players, by and large, simply do not want to play in that environment, especially the ones who do not shy away from competition.

    As for VT and Clemson, I agree. We have something to prove. I like our chances. Against Alabama, not as much. (But better than UVa's chances against us).

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  • Like anything new, there's buzz. Early playing time (guaranteed to some recruits), being part of something new, starting from the cellar (where groh left the program) amongst other things. London has been able to recruit without any regard for history because he has no history at uva. The promises to Watford,Terrel and others along with his package deal scholarship offers may come back to haunt him. The Blackberry was pretty cool when it came out but look where it is now.

    To say better talent means better results on the field is a fallacy. Many teams have proven that talent doesn't always translate into wins. Groh proved it while he was in C'ville. Over Groh's head coaching tenure, uva's average recruiting class rank was about equal to VT's average ranking.

    London's a motivator for sure...he can preach with the best of 'em. However, from a coaching standpoint, he's not nearly as impressive. The fake punts, going for it on 4th down when a field goal is more important, putting a true freshman in the game at QB with the ball on their own 1 yard line, having a kid returning punts who can't catch.....he's made more than a few head scratching decisions thus far.

    With regards to the head to head matchup with VT, IMO Foster has Lazor's number (understatement) and VT's overall toughness on offense typically prevails. It's a culture/toughness issue difference which separates the two programs.

    mm87vt

  • Loudoun Hokie said...

    Bottom line is UV had a charmin squeezin soft schedule. Pretty hard to do worse than what they did with that slate. They have another easy schedule this year, but go ahead and chalk up another loss to VT.

    Hoobies may be able to fool some 18 year old kids, but don't pretend like grown men can't see the clear difference.

    UVA did have an easy OOC schedule but we were not the only ones in the commonwealth with a soft schedule (Arkansas State, East Carolina, Marshall, Appalachia State doesn't make my knees shake). Hoos have an easy schedule this year? Penn State and TCU are both on the slate along with a pretty good Louisiana Tech team. I'm not sure you are looking at the correct schedule.

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  • blacksburghoo said...

    UVA did have an easy OOC schedule but we were not the only ones in the commonwealth with a soft schedule (Arkansas State, East Carolina, Marshall, Appalachia State doesn't make my knees shake). Hoos have an easy schedule this year? Penn State and TCU are both on the slate along with a pretty good Louisiana Tech team. I'm not sure you are looking at the correct schedule.

    agree here somewhat. Your schedule is a def a step up from past years and your OOC may even be tougher than VTs with your TCU, Penn St games vs our Pittsburgh, Cinncy games. That being said I wouldn't really talk about our soft schedule from last year, because 1, it was still tougher than yours, 2, Ark State was a 10 win team and pretty damn good, and 3, we still won 10 games with our soft schedule something UVA couldn't do with a softer one.

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  • mnhvt said...

    so with that theory.....i guess we might as well concede a loss to Clemson...they domimated us in 2 games last year.

    and most teams lose to the "best" teams they play....we lose to Clemson twice...that is why they are considered the better teams...they win more...some are quick to point out the close games or losses to lesser teams...well they beat GT, FSU, Miami...we can't call those good wins for VT, if they don't count as good wins for the hoos.

    i am not trying to argue UVa is the second coming, but some are pretty dismissive of what is actually going one...better talent, means better product on the field....and with some of that talent being kids who grew up VT fans or would in years past would attend VT, well it may hurt sooner than later.

    guys in VA that would not sniff UVA a few years ago now visit and consider them, some are committing...many which VT wants too.

    Groh recruited well and they had a few good years with those recruits (not up to the hype for sure, but he was 2 time ACC coach of year), but then Groh acted like Groh and burned bridges and his last 3 years at UVA had very poor recruiting classes on the whole

    from what i have seen transfers rarely work out, especially at the QB position...Paulus from UNC to W&M, Aaron Corp from USCal to Uof R (i think he still has a year and may have gotten inured last year, but don't think he did much before that).

    So while UVa has a ton left to prove, they are no doubt improving...they are improving in recruiting, they improved on the field (will it be sustained, i don't know), London has improved their national relevance and brand....

    and he is still playing with Groh's worst recruiting classes..

    I hope he and UVA flop as much, if not more than others..but constantly saying 38-0 or we own them, really overlooks alot of things.

    with all that being said.

    F the hoos.

    Good analysis while still hating us. I like it. The 38-0 reminder is redundant. No doubt that you guys played your very best against us. The game was like a tidal wave and the Hoos couldn't do anything. Great coaching and execution against a hated rival. However, the same team that annilated us was annilated a week later by Clemson which could have put 50 points on your defense if they had chosen to. Teams are going to be different from year to year but actually they are different from game to game. Look at last year (UVA beat FlSt but loses bad to Tech; Tech beats the snot out of UVA then gets the snot beat out of them). Be careful riding too high on that 8 game winning streak. It has been very impressive but great things don't last. It's easy to compare London to Groh and rationalize that he will follow in Groh's footsteps. But if you look closely, London are Groh are polar opposites on all aspects when it comes to recruiting, coaching, and personal relationships. Once again we are getting our share of the talent that is available in this great state and it will only be a matter of time before it shows up on the field.

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  • DC-Hokie88 said...

    agree here somewhat. Your schedule is a def a step up from past years and your OOC may even be tougher than VTs with your TCU, Penn St games vs our Pittsburgh, Cinncy games. That being said I wouldn't really talk about our soft schedule from last year, because 1, it was still tougher than yours, 2, Ark State was a 10 win team and pretty damn good, and 3, we still won 10 games with our soft schedule something UVA couldn't do with a softer one.

    Fair enough.

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  • As long as poindexter is a coach at UVA, I am not worried. London is a great recruiter yes that is obvious, however, his coaching skills are suspect. You can have all the talent in the world but without good coaching it does not matter. Ask Miami and FSU the past 5 years about that.

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  • There is about zero chance UVA wins 8 games this season. I'm guessing 6, with 5 being more likely than 7.

    VTSmitty

  • blacksburghoo said...

    Good analysis while still hating us. I like it. The 38-0 reminder is redundant. No doubt that you guys played your very best against us. The game was like a tidal wave and the Hoos couldn't do anything. Great coaching and execution against a hated rival. However, the same team that annilated us was annilated a week later by Clemson which could have put 50 points on your defense if they had chosen to. Teams are going to be different from year to year but actually they are different from game to game. Look at last year (UVA beat FlSt but loses bad to Tech; Tech beats the snot out of UVA then gets the snot beat out of them). Be careful riding too high on that 8 game winning streak. It has been very impressive but great things don't last. It's easy to compare London to Groh and rationalize that he will follow in Groh's footsteps. But if you look closely, London are Groh are polar opposites on all aspects when it comes to recruiting, coaching, and personal relationships. Once again we are getting our share of the talent that is available in this great state and it will only be a matter of time before it shows up on the field.

    Are you serious? Other than a few exceptions, good football players simply do not want to play at Virginia. Before VT was in the ACC, this was not always the case, but the fact is top-level in-state players have no reason any longer to go to UVa, where there is zero tradition and none that ever will be developed. The ones who do go there generally are looking for early playing time. Most would rather be part of a winning program. Sims is showing up only after he could not cut it at Alabama. Not an ideal situation for anyone. If this were lacrosse it would be different. It is football, however. Will Virginia ever beat VT again on the football field. Undoubtedly the answer is yes, but the frequency will be about the same as Baylor beating Texas.

    ScottsdaleHokie

  • blacksburghoo said...

    Good analysis while still hating us. I like it. The 38-0 reminder is redundant. No doubt that you guys played your very best against us. The game was like a tidal wave and the Hoos couldn't do anything. Great coaching and execution against a hated rival. However, the same team that annilated us was annilated a week later by Clemson which could have put 50 points on your defense if they had chosen to. Teams are going to be different from year to year but actually they are different from game to game. Look at last year (UVA beat FlSt but loses bad to Tech; Tech beats the snot out of UVA then gets the snot beat out of them). Be careful riding too high on that 8 game winning streak. It has been very impressive but great things don't last. It's easy to compare London to Groh and rationalize that he will follow in Groh's footsteps. But if you look closely, London are Groh are polar opposites on all aspects when it comes to recruiting, coaching, and personal relationships. Once again we are getting our share of the talent that is available in this great state and it will only be a matter of time before it shows up on the field.

    i was more so explaining that hokies need to accept UVA is getting better...not saying you guys were good, or even comparable to VT.

    so far the improvements have come more so in attitude (players and fans) and recruiting (which still i would say VT's classes the last 2 years were superior)....the improvements that matter are on the field, and that you don;t know after 2 seasons.

    the coaching, sustained winning, that is TBD.

    VT and UVA are still not really comparable at football...one is saying they are up and coming, the other is at the near top....while we are not where we want to be, UVa wants to be where VT currently is.

    8 straight is almost misleading, when you can say 12 of 13..

    UVa will get us at some point, but this streak is utter dominance

    my concern with UVA is not battling UVA for coastal titles...it's losing 3-5 guys a year to them in recruiting that will help step it up a notch....but we have gotten better in this aspect, and it is more of a priority.

    again, it's all about winning...VT is a winning program, UVA wants to be one

    mnhvt

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  • VTSmitty said...

    There is about zero chance UVA wins 8 games this season. I'm guessing 6, with 5 being more likely than 7.

    Yeah and we (including myself) all thought 8 wins was impossible last year, but look what happened...

    But to be as reasonable as possible, with the step up in OOC and the fact that teams might actually consider us an opponent this year, I expect a 6-6 record, with 5-7 and 7-5 not out of the question either..

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  • VTSmitty said...

    There is about zero chance UVA wins 8 games this season. I'm guessing 6, with 5 being more likely than 7.

    sounds about right Smithers

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  • blacksburghoo said...

    Good analysis while still hating us. I like it.

    I didn't read hate...I read pity.

    I guess we all cope differetly.

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  • I would argue that he has yet to prove that he can coach. Recruiting is one thing, coaching is another. Just ask Ron Zook.

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