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Philip Sims isn't happy...

  • ncrosby88 said...

    Who wouldn't want a competitive football program, it's probably the biggest money maker for a school. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. ML can try to make people care about it, but in the end we sell out versus Arkansas State and when we play you guys in C'ville, the stands are half maroon.

    Right, and it takes time to change the perception of a program. I'm not going to say London is going to lead the program to BCS bowls every year, but if he can consistently win 7-8 games every year, the fans will respond and they'll fill the stands. But that takes time and the reputation of a program doesn't change overnight.

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  • bbb989 said...

    I'm talking about the future of the program. If you consider UVA football's recent history, calling the football program mediocre would be a compliment haha. However, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they can get 7-8 wins from here on out. But your opinion might be a bit jaded, considering the tremendous success and consistency your program has enjoyed the past couple of decades.

    Well, when you actually get to 7-8 wins a season we can discuss. Until then it's all just, well.....talk. blah

    This post was edited by GC1 on 4/29/2012 at 1:01 PM

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  • GC1 said...

    Well, when you actually get to 7-8 wins a season we can discuss. Until then it's all just, well.....talk. blah

    Didn't say it was going to happen but last year was a good start.

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  • bbb989 said...

    Right, and it takes time to change the perception of a program. I'm not going to say London is going to lead the program to BCS bowls every year, but if he can consistently win 7-8 games every year, the fans will respond and they'll fill the stands. But that takes time and the reputation of a program doesn't change overnight.

    You're right, it doesn't change overnight, and everything ends up what it really is, so you hope to have a mediocre football program by our standards and we will hand the few guys who you ended up with that we both actually recruited an A$$ whooping every year on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. peace

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  • Bbb, people care when they show up. They have not done that for London or his recruits yet.

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  • HNB said...

    Bbb, people care when they show up. They have not done that for London or his recruits yet.

    Attendance has actually improved. Like I said, London isn't going to win the fans' allegiance in two years, it takes a lot more than that to convince an entire fanbase. Luckily for you guys, you have all the fair-weather VT football fans that are oddly enough Duke and UNC basketball fans haha

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  • bbb989 said...

    Attendance has actually improved. Like I said, London isn't going to win the fans' allegiance in two years, it takes a lot more than that to convince an entire fanbase. Luckily for you guys, you have all the fair-weather VT football fans that are oddly enough Duke and UNC basketball fans haha

    What a load of crap.

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  • Did it improve last year? I thought the only sell out you had was the VT game?

    Smitty, this guy is nothing like Arden, that guy couldn't have posted anyone of the reasonable post bbb has made.

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  • bbb989 said...

    Attendance has actually improved. Like I said, London isn't going to win the fans' allegiance in two years, it takes a lot more than that to convince an entire fanbase. Luckily for you guys, you have all the fair-weather VT football fans that are oddly enough Duke and UNC basketball fans haha

    False, I believe I know more UVA "fans" that pull for UNC or Duke on the hardwood than VT, there's always exceptions though, more along the younger generation.

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  • Va's-Finest said...

    False, I believe I know more UVA "fans" that pull for UNC or Duke on the hardwood than VT, there's always exceptions though, more along the younger generation.

    I'm 17 so I think I fall under the "younger generation" category. Every VT football fan I know that is my age has no allegiance to the basketball program whatsoever.

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  • HNB said...

    Did it improve last year? I thought the only sell out you had was the VT game?

    Smitty, this guy is nothing like Arden, that guy couldn't have posted anyone of the reasonable post bbb has made.

    It improved, but not drastically. I mean, attendance couldn't have gotten any worse from what it was from '08-'10 haha. The season opener against W&M was somewhat close to a full house, and the conference games against GT and Duke had decent crowds. And obviously the VT game was a sellout, but that's thanks to you guys :)

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  • bbb989 said...

    I'm 17 so I think I fall under the "younger generation" category. Every VT football fan I know that is my age has no allegiance to the basketball program whatsoever.

    Most kids are fickle, and will choose teams based on winning. That isn't representative of our fanbase, and you can't use that to label it as fair-weather. Kids that age don't even go to games unless mom and pop takes them. You are basically claiming that we fill up our stadium with children under 18 who aren't VT Alumni. C'mon man.

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  • ArksineVT said...

    Most kids are fickle, and will choose teams based on winning. That isn't representative of our fanbase, and you can't use that to label it as fair-weather. Kids that age don't even go to games unless mom and pop takes them. You are basically claiming that we fill up our stadium with children under 18 who aren't VT Alumni. C'mon man.

    That's true to an extent, but when I see that the parents of those kids are just like their children in that they support VT football but cheer for Duke, VCU, ODU, and UNC in basketball, it makes me wonder. But you guys are obviously die-hards so I'm not doubting your fandom towards VT, it's just that there are a lot of fair-weather fans that boost your attendance that UVA doesn't have.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    Dude, he was straight up for about 2 weeks and then went mental. He has never recovered. Thanks for giving that guy on the blueboard a verbal smack upside the head. I sure couldn't get through to him.

    I was on CC when Arden came to our board...he was never going to last, didn't have the ability to let things go. bbb is reasonable here and on their board. I'd compare him much more to Joe.

    And yes, that guy was just a flat out dumb ass on the BB. Still trying to get the flow over there.

    VT has fans that like other BBall teams because until we got into the BE, and even more into the ACC, people had formed long standing rooting interest in other teams...that is changing more and more every year. A good run in BBall and I think most convert all the way. Not being in a good conference. A kid growing up now can watch VT on Nat TV in both frequently, when I was in HS I don't know if VT was ever on TV in the 757? I'm 37

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  • bbb989 said...

    Right, and it takes time to change the perception of a program. I'm not going to say London is going to lead the program to BCS bowls every year, but if he can consistently win 7-8 games every year, the fans will respond and they'll fill the stands. But that takes time and the reputation of a program doesn't change overnight.

    i would be awfully disappointed with just 7-8 wins a year

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