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David Wilson came into the league this season as one of the more intriguing running back prospects around. Ten games into the season, the New York Giants rookie has some work to do.
Agree we hardly used him in the passing game.. He was asked to run the ball
Here's to Billy Hite, Bryan Stinespring and Mike O'Cain!
Sorry, but the coaches get zero blame on this one. Had Wilson stayed for his senior year and those were the knocks on him, then it is on the coaches. He would have gotten better in all those areas, and had another year of maturity.
A lot of people thought he wasn't ready and could have really benefited from another year. Sounds like the Giants RB coach agrees.
Damn it Smitty, going all reasonable in a good coach bash
Agreed. This isn't on the coaches.
It took him a year to figure out how to follow his blockers (mainly because he forced himself into that 3-rb rotation instead of taking the redshirt) and he just started learning how to run up the middle late into his junior year. If he stayed until his senior year, he would have gone to the NFL MUCH better prepared.
All that being said, he was a 1st round pick....can't really say it turned out badly for him. He will be a VERY good NFL RB in a few short years.
I don't completely agree with it. We do ask our RBs to block. Our passing game to our RBs is basic, but not all that different from most of college football. We probably threw it to David more than any back we have had.
Comparing him to Martin who spent 5 years at Boise and Richardson who was a top 5 pick isn't quite fair. Its also possible that NYG asks more from their RBs. I know that Ryan Williams would be playing if he didn't have injury issues. Kevin Jones started from day 1 and looked good on a bad team, but yet again injuries did him in. Same thing for Lee Suggs.
If you ask me this is more a failure on the Giants part. David is a playmaker, and he's shown it on STs. Okay, so he isn't ready to be their full time RB, that doesn't mean you don't find a way to get him involved. Stupid to just keep him on the bench.
This post was edited by ArksineVT 17 months ago
Yeah, I was hoping no one would drag me out back and whoop me for that one. I'm very critical of the coaches, and they deserve most of the criticsm they get. This is just one of those times, that I have to side with them. Wilson would have really developed this year. That being said, what he goes through this year may really prepare him for the NFL next season.
Our coaching has turned into a national joke
1) Newsome not teaching Benedict well enough to execute a simple blocking assignment
2) Beamer on ST's -With Branthover doing kickoffs the first three games, Tech got seven touchbacks in 14 attempts and opponents started on their own 17-yard line on average. With Abbott, the Hokies have nine touchbacks in 39 attempts, with opponents starting at their own 33-yard line. Why is this not glaringly obvious?
3) Sherman not benching M Davis when he has seen this for 10 games..
VT is just as soft as the whole ACC at this point and it seems to fall squarely on the coaches ability to get them ready.. and when they are not, no one is accountable. I am so sick of reading the crap on beamerball about each coach's assessment.. it is such garbage and they flat out refuse to call a spade a spade
Well now fellas, here comes the pendulum swinging back...I'm not talking about him being a complete back - just focusing in on his pass catching. I'm looking more at this part of the article, "Finally -- and we're not piling on here, promise -- he's also had trouble catching the ball."
And yes - we've been incredibly constant in the number of receptions of our RBs. I've gone back to Imoh, Humes, Ore, Evans, Williams, Wilson, JC... We DON'T use our RBs in the passing game. That's why I'm toasting the coaches. It doesn't matter of Wilson would have stayed here for next two years - we still wouldn't have thrown him the ball. It's not our identity. It's always about 20 per year - max.
How many passes did he catch? In 2010 he caught 15 and in 2011 he caught 22 for 129. (While rushing 290 carries for 1709 yards)
Let's look at a similarly explosive back in Gio Bernard. This season, with two games to go in the regular season, he's got 142 carries for 1008 yards and 38 receptions for 411 yards. The point here isn't that David Wilson couldn't catch a pass, it's that he wasn't part of the gameplan to catch passes. We had Coale and Boykin to do that.
Wilson wasn't being targeted. He could have been. We could have thrown in more packages to get the ball in his hands - especially with such a great blocking receiver like Coale. But we didn't.
Now, to this year...JC Coleman has produced 15 receptions for a total of 79 yards. Here's some comparo...Perry Jones has 41 receptions for 341 yards. Kevin Parks has 22 receptions for 184 yards. Duke Johnson has 24 receptions for 204 yards.
Mike James has 27 receptions for 247 yards. De'Anthony Thomas has 37 receptions for 378 yards. Ka'Deem Carey has 30 receptions for 281 yards.
If you've got playmakers, you find a way to get them more involved in the offense. That's my point. David Wilson, was simply a running back. As was Evans/Williams/Ore/Imoh/Humes etc. etc. etc.
There's been one constant for all these guys... And it would be one thing if our offense was humming along with no challenges or issues the whole time - but it hasn't. Yet, we keep tweaking with formations and packages that don't drastically alter the results - nor the overall receptions or carries to improve our offense.
Who is our leading RB this year? I'll give you a hint, Logan Thomas has almost 50 more carries than our next RB. With 124. Surprised? Well, Logan had 153 last year - so he's really about the same pace overall. The difference is that last year David Wilson got 290 and JO 97. That's 387 carries for Wilson and JO. This year, JC/Holmes/Scales/Gregory have combined for 210.
So is Logan Thomas throwing a lot more to compensate? No. Not really. This year he has 319 attempts - last season he had 391. So, just about the same pace. We're just seeing a lot more three and outs and that's limiting the number of carries and pass attempts overall.
So we can't run the ball this year... Why haven't we adapted the offense to throw more to the RBs out of the backfield? I dunno. It seems that it would make sense to get those guys involved so that they have to be accounted for. Right now, it's either a handoff or nothing for our RBs. Our WRs are strictly receivers.
Follow me here...
If I'm on defense, and I see Logan drop back - I KNOW that I don't have to be concerned about the RBs - really just look for the WRs and spy Logan.
If I see a read option, as a defender, I KNOW that I need to cue in on Logan. Why? The factual percentages of the existing statistics state that he's going to keep the ball. You and I know this b/c we see the games. The opposing defenses know this because they watch the film and they're smart enough to play the percentages.
Guys, we're so one dimensional that it hurts.
The point is that WE KNOW IT'S NOT WORKING, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT UP.
So again - here's to the coaches.
David Wilson, we love you bud. Keep working hard - you'll get there!
Personally I think Wilson is a bad example as he is on one end of the spectrum. These same coaches got Lee Suggs, Brandon Ore, and Kevin Jones to all be pretty good tailbacks. Wilson needed more time to develop and anyone that watched 15 minutes of film would get that. The Giants knew that he would need 2 years before he would be a complete back.
Also VT as it should needs to do what it takes to win football games. Some parts of college are geared towards winning college games vs getting players ready for the NFL. There is no crime in that and I am fine with that approach.
We also dont help ourselves in preparing our backs as we are not a feature back system. The negative is that the players dont get as many snaps, but the pro is that our backs dont enter the draft abused and beat up.
I think when everything is said and done David Wilson will be an everyday back and a good one at that. Kid just needs some time to play like a pro.
I cannot stand when people say VTs RBs were all busts and not good enough to play in the NFL.
Like you said, RW would be a starter and probably a great back if he was healthy. Jones and Suggs were both doing great things and starting before injuries derailed their careers. The VT backs don't do well in the NFL is not even remotely based off of talent or how well they were prepared, it is simply due to similar circumstances that plagued our three best RBs in the NFL to date.
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