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Rumor is Vick is about to get benched up here in philly. He's a turnover machine the last 2 years and really hasn't been able to make up for it with his play. The backup is a rookie (Nick Foles), so i'm not sure why you'd make that change it were concerned with turnovers cause a rookie is going to be just as bad if not worse.
It could come this week or if we lose to Atlanta after the bye.
I think he's getting treated a bit unfairly as the OL really hasn't been good, nor has the playcalling. He hasn't played well, but its not all on him. I think the majority of people that want him benched just don't like him, period. They're either not over the dog fighting or are borderline racist (iyam). Went through the same thing with McNabb here. Either way, its definitely not trending well for Mike up here. Its a shame.
I could see Reid being gone after this season if they don't make a strong run in the playoffs so it makes sense that a change might happen.That's why Castillo got canned and that's why Mike's job is on the line.Andy's trying to protect himself but might be too late.
I see no way Andy keeps his job. This team isn't very good and he needs to go better than 8-8 to keep his job.
The problem with Andy Reid is his offensive philosophy is a recipe for failure. He claims its "west coast" but its closer to Mike Leach's air raid offense than west coast. When the OL can't protect the QB, you shouldn't be throwing the ball 60 times a game.
vick has alot of turnovers but their OL is atrocious and he's running for his life alot. Also I wonder how many of his ints hit the wr in the hand. I know atleast a couple were drops.
Agreed. You have a terrible OL so you put in a 6-6 guy that can't move sounds smart. I hope they do this as a Redskins fan.
agree why does no one talk about how horrible the oline is? and they move the oline coach to d coord and then fire him, lol philly is a mess. not saying vick doesnt deserve some blame but he is literally running for his life every play
The OL is bad but mike can't make a good read at the line and hit the quick route. If the rookie can do that the OL gets better...but he's a rookie. Mike holds the ball too long IMO
Add...they should only be throwing 25 times a game. Reid is putting too much in Vick
Its talked about constantly up here on talk radio. The consensus is its bad, but the QB shouldn't be turning the ball over. The QB takes too much blame in losing and too much credit in winning. Thats always been the case no matter where you go.
That first game was on him, but since that first game most of the turnovers have been drops/deflections/strip sacks/etc. Nick Foles isn't going to make a difference with that. Hell Tom Brady isn't going to make a difference with that.
I just don't think many up here like him very much. They never really have. They like to win, but dont like the man.
The first few games he was holding onto it too long. The last few he's been much better. But its not produced results.
Andy Reid has been doing this same song and dance ever since he's been in the league. Lesean McCoy is a top 3-5 running back and yet they routinely air it out 35-40 times a game. He did the same with Westbrook as well. His problem is that he hates to run the ball. While Vick hasn't played up to par, it was foolish of them to give him such a huge contract and then totally neglect the offensive line. If he was getting the same protection that Brady gets he wouldn't be having near as many issues. People make a by stink about him being a running QB and taking too many hits, when most of his crushing blows come from the pocket. He only makes it worse by holding the ball too long and always playing for a big play.
As a Redskins fan its great, but as a fan of Vick its tough to see. I know he's capable if better because he did it just two seasons ago, but I'm not sure he'll ever get to that level of play again.
Vick's athleticism has really been astounding over all these years and it's been one of the things keeping him alive so far. However, into his 30's, his speed is beginning to diminish and Vick is going to need to fall back on accuracy and decision making. Therein lies the problem - Vick is 10 years into the league and still doesn't fully understand how to read a defense. In a sense he's a one-trick pony. Once the athleticism wanes, he's in trouble.
That said, the Eagles' O-line, play-calling, and coaching aren't helping him out too much.
I think he's better at reading defenses than most give him credit for. Line protections are called out at the line of scrimmage by the center, not Vick. He changes the play based on what the defense gives him. If the look is right, he calls the play and they go to war. If its not good, he changes the play. He gives out two plays in the huddle and based on the look calls the audible if he needs to.
The main problem they have is they call far too many 7 step drops. It gives the defense plenty of time to get heat on him. I saw a breakdown up here on his passing stats the last three games. When its a 3 or 5 step drop, he completes like 80% of his passes with a great TD/INT ratio. On his 7 step drops he's down near 50%, and that largely has to do with pressure.
If they would run the Damn ball they would be ok.. But Andy Reid is a idiot. They have one of the best RB's in the league and never give him the ball.... Vick is a monster out of the play action but they never run the ball to develop the play action.
I'm not going to get started on how the eagles have neglect their OL.
Yep, agree with most in this thread. Vick has his faults, of course, but the "GREAT" quarterbacks are the one's who don't get pressured. Also, completely agree with wrx about the 7-step drops. You almost never see Brady or Manning taking 7-step drops, its always 3 and the ball is out quick. The problem isn't with the QB, its with the head man. He's a good coach with a flawed offensive identity. He wants to throw a ton, but hasn't built an OL to pass block. You have a couple really good receivers and a great RB, but McCoy most of the time has to make something of nothing and the WR's run long routes that the OL can't provide time for.
Its a mess, Vick will be benched as a scapegoat, but Reid will be gone after this year and hopefully Vick will still have some productive years after it all goes down.
Go Falcons! Should be a great game.
If Reid goes, Vick will get cut. His contract is loaded such that if they cut him by the beginning of Feb, they don't owe him a roster bonus of 3 million and his salary doesn't count against the cap.
I don't see them benching Vick. If the Eagles have any chance of making the playoffs, which Reid needs to do to be around next year, it's not going to be with a rookie QB like Foles who lacks the escapability needed to survive behind Philly's injury-ravaged O-line. Reid can't afford a rebuilding year.
I do think their Oline isn't very good and I also think they need to run the ball more, but Vick also has to protect the ball better. He is careless too often.....if he could eliminate the lazy fumbles, the other ones where he's hit blind side etc... are a hell of a lot easier to write off as a result of a poor Oline.
Let me say this, when my cousin came out of prison, he was grateful because he was given a second chance not only to play football but also to have a positive impact on society. If he is benched in Philly, I am sure he will be disappointed because he really wants to win for Philly, his fans, and Coach Andy Reid. At the end of the day, when you have experienced what we have as a family, you realize that life is bigger than winning the NFC East and the playoffs. I know that is tough for some of you to believe but trust me, it is. I am not just referring to going to prison, I am to referring to the poverty, oppression, racism, and violence we experienced and witnessed back home in our part Southeastern, VA. For all of his critics that are celebrating his recent struggles on the field, you have the right to feel the way you feel. For all of his supporters, I say thank you. Last point, Of course Mike has to take care of the ball and cut down on the turnovers. Interesting that I have always wondered why coaches don’t invest in an offensive line even though the team has a mobile QB. I love watching Brady and other great quarterbacks play. But since it is a passing league why don’t more teams invest in getting people to protect the passer?!
I think coaches incorrectly think that they have a mobile QB so they can go spend their money on D and WR...If the Eagles had a good OL, their WR would get that much better...and again, they need to run the damn ball.
I think we all support Mike but would like to have seen him do more of the hard work to get better along the way...it's known he has said he didn't study. In some aspects he is like a 3rd year QB, but Ried used him right in the first game in season 1, and hasn't since.
I quit watching MV1 and the Eagles during the second game of the season. Last year I had decided that Andy Reid should be horsewhipped for allowing a team to have an offensive line that had spent the entire season letting their qb get beaten to a pulp. I thought surley this guy would correct this horrible problem. I started watching them this year and if anything it's worse. I'm seriously concerned for MV1. They can blame all thery want to on him but when you have consistantly taken the beating that he has for the last season plus, you are lucky you can still stand up. I think the Eagles management are a bunch of blind people if they can't see the wrong in what they are doing. Mobility is not an excuse to allow your qb to be beaten up like this. . As far as Mikes timing is concerned, you play behind that bunch very long and you will see every part of your game deteriorate. Sorry for the rant but i;m very serious about this.
We all know that games are won and lost in the trenches no matter the level of play. We preach this to our Pop Warner team every chance we get. It is astonishing that NFL GM's continually throw money at skilled players when their Oline is like swiss cheese.
Something else along the lines of MV1.....the refs, consciously and sub-consciously, allow him to get hit well after the throw. I watch plenty of games all over the NFL every week....if Brady were hit like Vick, the refs would've worn their arms out throwing flags. That's a fact.
I don't think Vick gets benched, it's the only way the Eagles have a chance at the playoffs. However, if he isn't doing much offensively and has turnovers, could it get worse? I mean, Foles could get sacked and NOT fumble the ball. I love Vick, always have, always will, but just because your offensive line blows doesn't mean you need to turn it over 4 times a game. RG3's line is terrible, but they have minimized the offensive line by doing a lot of quick stuff or plays keeping the defense on their heels. Of course that is coaching, but Andy Reid isn't going to fire himself right now.
Funny how football is, because if the Eagles don't blow a lead like my Nats, then nobody gets fired and nobody gets talked about being benched, right?
I've always felt like Vick was at his best when he just went out and played. Quick stuff, bootlegs, whatever you got to do to keep the defense off balanced. I'm no guru, but you need to maximize the talents of the player if you want to maximize your results, so why would you handicap a guy like that? I have always hated the whole "don't get hurt mentality", guys like Vick are dangerous because they can run. QB's get hurt more sticking in the pocket or running recklessly. I understand the concept of protecting your investment, and ultimately any QB has to be accurate and throw the ball, but the transition to keep a guy in the pocket more often than not isn't maximizing the talent of a guy like Vick. If you are a team that wants to minimalize Vick's running ability, then move on. That stems from the top.
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