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First of all another poor performance - very scared about next year and our inept offense moving forward sans Erick Green (hopefully he will be ok Tuesday vs. UVA since I will be in attendance).
So I just stumbled upon a random Ben Boggs sighting on ESPN.com playing for Valparaiso and it got me thinking about how many Transfers and Decommittments we have had over the last 10 years or so. Just off the top of my head going back to when I was at VT and using ESPN.com for stats:
Marquie Cooke - Dismissed?/Transfer, Colorado State
Winton Witherspoon - Transfer, GW (awesome kid, knew him on a personal level)
Nigel Muson - Transfer, UDC
Hank Thorns - Transfer, TCU (averaged 13.5 points, 4.6 assists in his senior year '11-'12)
Augustus Gilchrist - Decommit, South Florida (down senior year in '11-'12 but averaged 13pts/6rbs soph/junior years)
Lamont "Momo" Jones - Decommit from us/Arizona (currently 3rd in the nation in scoring this year for Iona averaging 22.5 pts. 4 assists)
Manny Atkins - Transfer, Georgia State (14 pts. 6 rebounds this year)
Ben Boggs - Transfer, Valpo (20 mins, 6 points)
Tyrone "Lil' Wayne" Garland - Transfer, LaSalle (12 pts, 2 assists, 1 steal this year - and saw him live @ VCU this year and played very well)
Dorrian Finney-Smith - Transfer, Florida (redshirting)
Montrezl Harrell - Decommit, Louisville (6 pts, 3 rbs)
I'm sure there are others that I have left out, and that there are lots of factors leading to these transfers/decommits (coaching changes, playing time, attitudes, etc.) but I can't help but think about how some of these players would have helped out over the years (even though I almost broke my TV multiple times watching several of the players above). Is this the normal rate of transfers - works out to ~1+ a year. I know just thinking about UNC, UCLA has 3 of their transfers currently on their roster - the Wear twins and Larry Drew III.
The decommits are par for the course when you are going after top recruits like all of those guys were. Basketball recruiting is messy. I think all of those transfers (except DFS) were because the kids weren't quite cut out for ACC competition.
Well Manny Atkins was as effective as anyone on this current team (except Green)
Very worried about next year as well bro. Very disappointed with the development (or lack thereof) of Barksdale in particular. I don't think Brown has what it takes; he makes horrendous decisions and takes awful shots all game, and Rankin has zero offense. Eddie is a mystery. We are in full rebuilding mode, and it may be pretty dire for several years. We are going to need the incoming class to step up and be big time contributors right off the bat, or we will be at the bottom of the ACC again.
"I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Frank Beamer
Well, you can take those decommits/transfers two ways. The first being that we can recruit pretty well for not having much basketball history. The 2nd being that Greenberg must have been the toughest coach to get along with in the history of college basketball.
There's nothing wrong with any of those guys. Most of them could play at a high level in the ACC. They just didn't see eye-to-eye with the coach.
I can speak on DFS and I can tell you that Seth had nothing to do with him staying or leaving. All I will say is JJ didn't want to lose him but wasn't willing to start his career off on a risky note. JJ will run this program clean and right and that's that.
That's funny. We have ONE player now that is on ACC level, but you think some of these other guys are below that? Uh...no.
"The first being that we can recruit pretty well for not having much basketball history. The 2nd being that Greenberg must have been the toughest coach to get along with in the history of college basketball."
These two comments are what scare me the most about the next few years. I believe "we" were lucky signing that first class consisting of Dowdell, Gordon, & Collins - all relatively unknown out of high school, but still thriving professionally abroad to this day. Coleman had some extenuating circumstances keeping him from developing into a dominating presence within the ACC his last two years, but I digress.
The Malcolm Delaney (my all-time favorite Hokie B-baller), Jeff Allen "Mr. Headbutt" (biggest waste of talent ever - a 2 inches shorter version of a "Zach Randolph" IMO), Terrell Bell (develop a jump shot you are in the NBA - 6'6 guard who plays his heart out), and Dorenzo Hudson (come on man - Chris Carter voice) recruiting class minus the Augustus Gilchrist decommit, was "the class". This was the squad to bring us to the next level. We battled against the Duke and UNC elite. Watching this team made us (me at least) forget about VT football for about 4 months during the calendar year.
Let's hope that JJ can bring about the change that we need to warrant a successful, "clean" program.
VT 24 - 'Bama 20
1. I think we have more than one ACC caliber player. We just don't have the team size or depth. 2. Just because we don't have a good team right now doesn't say anything about the caliber of players that left. I don't really understand your logic.
For the record, I think Manny would have turned into a quality player for us, but he wanted to be the man so he had to step down a level. Other than him and DFS, who on that list would be a starter for a competitive ACC team?
More of a drunken rant than anything bruise, just trying to measure up the what might might have been over the last few years. Decommits are definitely different from transfers but from this years' team alone:
Garland> Rankin (scoring wise at least)
Gilchrist would have been a big upgrade over Davila.
THE ONLY THING I'M ADDICTED TO IS WINNING--CHARLIE SHEEN
I had no problem with your post. Its true we have lost a lot of players and thats why we are in this mess right now.
But I don't agree that Atkins is better than Eddie or that Garland is better than Rankin.
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