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Well, "As the Stomach Churns" is entering yet another chapter in the ongoing saga...
But let me lay something out for everyone that was pointed out to me today by a UMD guy.
First though, you're going to hear a TON from Cinci in the next few weeks - BEGGING - not to get left behind. It's like the rapture and they're seeking salvation by any means necessary.
That said, Cinci doesn't bring us ND, which is necessary. Now, you'll ask - well, isht bro, why Navy? They suck ass. Effing conference has gone to hell, you'll say. Ahh, but alas, the beauty is in the deft magic of the numbers below.
Number 1. UMD left. There's a gap in the Mid-Atlantic, right about where College Park is. Annapolis is right next to College Park and provides access to DC and Baltimore.
Number 2. Good ol' Navy is a NATIONAL brand. They played ND in Ireland. That's pretty friggin sweet. Plus they're NAVY. That's patriotic as Uncle Sam and Apple Pie. Plus their football ain't bad. They're 7-4 this year with wins over Air Force, Indiana and East Carolina. They're 31-19 over the past 4 years.
Number 3. We're talking the same deal that they got with the Big East - FOOTBALL ONLY. Which brings me to the next point...
Number 4. We're talking about Georgetown for all other sports not named football!!! Yes. This IS on the table. I don't care what is said about way back when - like, you know, last week... That was before we added Louisville and their 160s ranked Educational System to our prestigious conference. And before we added Notre Dame for everything except football. I've attached a link to their sports offered. They'll fit quite nicely with Basketball, Soccer, Baseball and Lacrosse. They've got swimming and volleyball and softball too.
Number 5. To bring it all home... Notre Dame agreed to play 5 ACC football games each year. By adding Navy - who is not and was not part of the original deal - that's 6 games. We just need them to give us one more game per year - and we're done!!!
If the ACC is split into 4 pods of 4 teams each, NOTRE DAME would be playing 7 required ACC games a year -- 3 against the teams in their pod, and 4 against teams in the other pod in their division for that year. That still leaves them 5 OOC games. If the pods were constructed properly, ND would still be playing teams in their pod they now play regularly. BTW - Navy would be in their Pod... I've read that traditional opponents like BC and Pitt would be the other two.
I'm going to cut and paste something from a Pitt fan here since he's stating everything that the UMD guy said as well...
"Scheduling in this setup would mean that all teams in each respective pod would play EVERY year keeping important rivalries. Likewise, each year every pod would play every team from some other pod. The "other pod" would be different each year rotating every 3 years. This gives each team 7 conference games. These yearly pod pairings would create 2 divisions and the records for these 7 conference games within each division would determine the conference championship representatives. This is where ND would have to give a little in that they would have to commit to ONE extra ACC conference game. It is only one because they have already agreed to play 5 ACC games and by adding a team that ND is committed to playing EVERY year in Navy, that is now a conference game which brings you to 6 ACC games per year.
Notre Dame only has to play their 7 conference games but get full access to playing in the ACC championship game and any benefits that come with that despite it's record against teams outside of the ACC. The key here is that this setup allows ND to retain room on their schedule for national traditional rivals USC, Stanford, MSU, Michigan and Purdue."
They've already cxl'd their series with Michigan - but they would certainly be able to look at an every other year - or every four years - type of schedule to make sure that they can keep the traditional games that their fan base loves.
This LOCKS the ACC in place. And firmly places the ACC as one of the premier conferences in both football and basketball. It SLAMS the door on the B1G and SEC from raiding our members and allows us to renegotiate a FAT TV deal.
THIS IS being discussed I'm told.
The wise move is to make it happen. All we're asking ND for is ONE MORE GAME. That's it. One more game.
We will have boosted our football brand and established the most predominant basketball brand in the nation. How about the ACC basketball tourney with those 16 teams... Including Georgetown!
SEC is off the table - it would appear. So this MUST happen.
SEC is off the table - it would appear. So this MUST happen
I was fine until the last sentence... "SEC is off the table - it would appear. So this MUST happen."
Agree with the logic, potential of increasing the TV contract and appreciate the amount of work you put into the post - but... It's really sounding just way too much like the past/current Big East. One team is football only, another team is all but football, yet another team is football but only every other week. It's a hodgepodge of yuck.
So everyone plays 7 conference games or just ND?
Either way it does make sense and would appease the basketball powers.
Sounds nice....but what's in it for ND? Suppose they wanna have the flexibility to play Michigan annually again? Or Purdue, for example? Or have a home-and-home with Texas or something? This ruins any opportunity they have for that.
In theory it sounds great for the ACC, but I see no benefit for ND and I don't think entrapment is gonna make them wanna join any faster.
Bottom line is the ACC needs ND...but ND doesn't need the ACC and that's the inherent problem.
This post was edited by GDubyaHokie 17 months ago
Idk that navy would force nd to join acc they are doing fine without a conference there playing in the national championship game and vt joining the sec is still a possibility.
Thats good for ND, but puts everyone else in the conference in a bind having to schedule 5 OOC games....especially as other conferences grow. Going to be a lot of snoozers in there, on top of the snoozers of our ACC schedule.
Says Louisville in stating what they were told by our conference officials.
FSU and Clemson led the charge for Louisville. They don't want to go to the Big 12, but would do so if the ACC fell apart. If VT is waiting for FSU to go. We're going to be waiting for a long time it seems.
Don't disagree - just depressing...
I'm holding out hope the Maryland fee is reduced to around 25 million, that could change things... But yea, think you're right - it's definitely going to drag things out.
This post was edited by NYC_Hokie 17 months ago
So,then,what happens if Notre Dame does not agree to this proposal?
This post was edited by VTUD 17 months ago
Everyone plays 7 conference - but there's nothing that says you can't schedule other conference members as your non-conference games.
We played Austin Peay, Bowling Green and Cinci this year... All will still be available for us to schedule next year... Marshall, ECU etc. etc...
Then add in one marquee game like we typically do - see Alabama next year - and you're good to go.
4 creampuffs and a SOS booster... Then the 7 game ACC schedule.
It's as good a deal as we're gonna get in the ACC. The only other option is to bring in Cinci or UConn and then we've still only got the 5 game rotation with ND and our conference sucks more.
CZY, Hokieman and VTScoop and everyone else with contacts has stated that there is a commitment to the ACC. If that is true, which I'm hearing from my guy at UMD and also a Pitt insider on the Scout Board (plus other internet chatter) this play to lock in ND is the next logical step.
We already added ND for all sports not named football. We can get them to be an official football member by adding Navy and getting them to agree to one more game.
Last point... By giving our teams 5 out of conference games, we can work out reciprocal deals with other teams in the Big 12, SEC etc. How about getting Vandy on our schedule every other year - Tennessee? Ohio State? Nebraska?
There's nothing that says we couldn't get some national rivalries going. For example. I'd love to have a shot at Oregon. Maybe not this year - but just sayin...
We're screwed into having to take UConn AND Cinci to get to 16!!!
No we are not. We can leave, along with a few others...ND is the lynch pin
The ACC is selling it's soul to Notre Dame. But Notre Dame will NEVER join a conference unless the BCS forces them to.
If you say Football and Wrestling only then you got me.
Well,that would result in one weak a$$ conference.
Agree.... WTF?... Swofford is too busy watching re-runs of UNC-Duke basketball games while gelling his hair to pull off anything meaningful.
What is in it for ND? They will just remain indy in football, renegotiate their contract with NBC, and make 5 times what we make in a year..
Don't see 7 conference games as an option. Less good games for TV which is who is driving the bus here.
F ND. I hope we don't bend over backwards for them but it looks like we will. With that being said I think Pitt and UMD would not know much about the football schools options elsewhere. Not knocking you at all EN, just that there are always two sides to the story, actually 15 in this case.
This post was edited by Red Hokie 17 months ago
7 conference games means 5 cupcakes each year, as the SEC, B1G, & BIG12 schedules are tough enough and unlikely to schedule many BCS schools from other conferences. We'd see mostly CUSA and MAC schools as our OOC.
Maybe with only 7 conference games a year, we could schedule a BIG10-ACC Challenge for football?
With the way things seem to be trending,all I can say is "this ain`t your father`s ACC". Whew.
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