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From reading some posts by pretty respected people on the board, it seems to be major and toxic. How bad is it and is there anything that can be done?
It`s all up to Frank Beamer. Hopefully he sees there have been too many cooks in the kitchen.
Remember how long Hite has been with Beamer at VT...the entire time. Frank trusts the people that have been with him for a long time. A calming, but not necessarily correct, voice in his ear is what Frank wants. There are other people, for whom I will not mention, that have influence on CFB, as they are not part of the staff but Hite is front and center at his philosphy on so many fronts. We need new blood in Frank's ear as it pertains to offense; otherwise, we are left with a confusing mess of plays that are too predictable based on the personnel package and the situation. I think Billy confuses the situation with Frank on offense in many situations when Stiney and others are asking for a certain play and Billy advocates for something else, in real time. We need one person accountable for offense, the play calling, the personnel, and the general philsophy. Our offense looks like an "all hands on deck" mess with everyone involved. There are high school offenses with more coherent communication and output than what we have.
CZY has stated in the past that it is being overanalyzed and blown out of proportion. Not saying he doesn't have influence, but I don't think it's quite as huge as people believe.
A new string OC will cure that IMO. Can you imaging a Hite looking over Buds shoulder?
CZY also has to be careful what he says to keep the info coming. He won't bash coaches or their methods. If Jeff says Hite has a hand in the pot I believe it. He was on point in the TCB days and knows more about the program than most on the board. Jmo.
This post was edited by Red Hokie 19 months ago
OK so let me pose a question. Someone or someone(s) has been overly influencial in the offense according to insiders. Based on comments from insiders
- it's not Billy because his influence has been overstated
- it's not MOC and Newsome because they're gone and the insiders are concerned the influence will still be there next year
- It's not Shane cause he just got here two years ago
- Could it be Sherman?
- Who else am I missing...?
I'm a younger message board user so I was not familiar with Jeff's knowledge.
Frank and Billy. Not an insider but Hokie Jeff and Hokiestone both hinted at it. Frank needs to give someone equal control to Bud, until then we are going to continue to rack up the Ls.
He doesn't post that often but he knows what he is talking about. Wasn't trying to call you out at all, more point out to folks that weren't around when HJ was dropping the goods that he probably knows more about the inside of our program than 99% of posters.
Hokiejeff knows what he is stating and I would also love to hear what the other coaches would say but I know we may never know because that is good business in not expressing in public opinion.
Czy has to be pc. The headset w/o the microphone that billy uses to "not be a coach" says everything you need to know.
Any chance Shane, Boosters, or other friends get Frank to realize he needs to remove Hite and be hands off? Or are we putting all our eggs in the Bud basket until 2016?
Not near as bad as some on here want to beleive.
Interesting way to phrase that...regardless, our offense has been a mess for some time. So hopefully something changes for the better starting next year.
Tcb and HJ in one thread....been way too long gents. Circa 2002 when hokiecop2b's were running around.
Could you tell your dad to fire one of his BF's after they had a long run of success and built a million dollar business?
I would bet Hite has about as much influence as Shane with regards to Frank.
I think the reason why Hite is the center of so much debate is not so much about the day-to-day influence of our success or failure on the football field as it is that he is a symbol of resistance to change.
I think many people have felt for some time that VT, after coming so close to touching the national championship trophy in the late 90s/early 00s, was slowly slipping further away from getting back to within arm's reach of it, and that certain elements were holding us back (accountability of coaching staff being a main issue). This scenario has been in the works for some time, but the wins & ACC championships kept coming to the point that it was mostly ignored. However, after too many losses in bigtime games (legit out of conference opponents), the clamor rose. Then, after having such a dismal season in 2012, it finally came to a head where the fans would not put up with it any longer. Change needed to be made to prove that VT is serious about competing at the highest level of college football. But fans only have so much control over the day-to-day business decisions of the program - especially one where the head coach is a living legend.
Billy Hite is a symbol of the refusal to acknowledge the need for adapting to the new college football landscape and I think fans have rallied around the cause of seeing Frank let Coach Hite go as a statement of proof that he is rethinking his approach to achieve success and finally filling the trophy case. Hite's negative influence on the program has been the threat that fans have adopted to rally against and it has snow-balled to the point of the Salem Witch Trials. There is likely some truth to the basis that Hite is holding back the program (namely the offense and to some extent, recruiting), but probably not to the extent that it is being made out to be.
However, amidst all of the simmering discontent of the fans who no longer accept winning a bunch of games in a watered-down ACC, only to be embarrassed time and again in the big games (which hurts the most because it shows the reality of VT being a 2nd tier program and not a legit national title contender, as so many want to believe), the institution's leadership has essentially said that they would rather put their eggs in the crumbling ACC basket when we could have options in another, stronger conference. So, you essentially have the fans fearing that Beamer is content with being a big fish in a little pond, and accepting mediocrity among the nation's elite, and the fans feeling that their desires are being marginalized. Thus, the fans turn to the University admin in the hopes that they will exert some influence to initiate change within the program, just to hear the university singing the same tune about keeping the status quo. That One-Two punch has left a lot of fans feeling isolated, ignored and violated by "the powers that be." Fans feel they are the constituency that is represented by the VT administration, however, their voice is not being heard, and that frustrates so many who have such a personal, financial and vested interest in their alma mater.
To borrow the basis of a line from Cool Hand Luke, "And you get what we have here today."
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