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Lost in the madness that was the national title game and Saban's 4th national title, is the recruiting year in and year out that Bama does to keep the roster loaded....
The last 5 years their recruiting classes have all been ranked in the top 5, and they have signed 133 players over that span. They have 9 seniors this year and will probably lose 4-5 underclassman to the NFL, but their current recruiting class already has 20 folks in it and its not quite signing day. So Saban will have to lose 6+ people (probably more with more commits) before those kids show up to campus. Thats a lot of attrition for one program.
Everyone points to shady recruiting when it comes to the SEC/Bama's dominance... but I think it has WAY more to do with this "roster management" than anything else. Its easy to create depth when you cut the kids that aren't any good and sign 25 every year. The frustrating part is the NCAA knows this goes on and could fix it tomorrow by passing scholarship reform.
Honestly, if you're a Bama commit, you should know that your spot is not guarenteed and nothing is given to you. I mean isn't that what playing for the best program is all about? Going up against the best and beating them out in practice?
That said, the NCAA does need to trim their rulebook and make the sport easier to manage from a personnel perspective and easier to follow from a fan perspective. It's not as easy as you would think but its something that would serve them well longterm.
You mean like signing 10 QBs?
Did you hear Hoo got arrested? Thomas Jefferson would be proud!
Saban is Satan
It's not about where you're from, it's about what you've done..
If we had 10, we could have had one for each of the different types of offenses we tried to run this year!
Speak of the Hoos.
That's what it takes to play Big Boy football and I have no problem with it. If the kids are not cutting it (for whatever reason), then they should know that their scholarships are not a given. Some kids get to college and discover that it is more fun to party than to work their ass off and they don't make it on the team. It happens everywhere. I don't think we want participation trophies for little Johnny for College Football. These (kids) are grown men and need to know that (Just like in life and the business world), you have to compete and be productive or you will be replaced with someone else who is. I think it teaches them exactly what they need to learn and more people should do it. Telling a recruit their scholarship is guaranteed no matter what is giving them license to steal. Now if a player gets hurt and can't continue, it's a whole different story, but if they are not cutting it on the field, then they can always transfer somewhere else where they can compete....
I don't think ten is enough but your post made me LOL
Like tenure in a job. Once you get it you're locked in and can screw off all you want with no worries. CFB has now become a business.
Good post. I honestly think its fine if the kids are made aware that it's a possibility. Imagine the competition it would create. I am also not foolish enough to believe that shady dealings aren't taking place regularly. You take all things done to haul in recruits and add in the championships and it's gonna be almost impossible to derail this train.
They may have been cut, but they still got paid.
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Doesn't the BIG do a scholarship for life thing now? No oversigning?
I hope you don't think Bama is the only school that pushes kids out. Every school (that cares about football) does this. Some let them stay 4, some don't.
Just like kids that get an academic scholarship - they have to maintain a certain level of performance for it to renew every year.
Oh i know it happens everywhere... but at Bama its like 2 years and out. Guys like Kirven have basically one more year and if they don't produce, they're gone.
Anyone know how he's progressing? Have a bama buddy who's willing to bet KK never starts a single game there. And I consider him pretty knowledgable of their full roster.
Not sour grapes...just curious really. Think VT will be fine w/out him.
No clue but he doesn't show up on any depth chart, probably because he's redshirting, but he won't have more than a year or two before he'll be asked to move on. They have some young talent at DE/NT that will be ahead of him.
There's certainly a difference between a kid who isn't working hard or is screwing off too much and a kid that's just getting passed by on the depth chart by another 5*. But that's fine, a recruit needs to know that heading into it and it's up to other programs to explain that to him. That's how you recruit against Bama.
The school is basically paying you $25,000 per year, in return you're suppose to produce in the classroom, and on the field, as well as represent the school well of the field. If you're not doing all 3, no need to keep you.
I know I think a little different than a lot of y'all, but I'm fine with it. Wouldn't mind we if laid the hammer earlier.
I can't decide where I fall on that. One side of me says yeah, they're on scholarship getting a free education for athletic performance. If they don't live up to their side of the bargain then they should lose that scholarship. Just like if you had an academic scholarship. If you struggle academically, they pull that scholarship.
But the other side me says that we are selling these kids on coming here for 4 years and becoming part of something great at VT. Pulling that out from under them makes me feel uneasy, especially if they are a hard worker.
I agree....Beamer always will give the good kid a bit more time than say Saban would. That's an extra 4-5 player difference EACH year when Comparing Bama-VT player attrition. 20 players over a 4-5 year period is a huge difference.
I don't think I am as concerned about the cutting of players - especially because there is proven evidence of it and the recruits should be aware of the situation before they sign (and Saban may very well tell them that is how he operates, for all I know). As far as the NCAA is concerned, would the implementation of the APR be a step in the direction of controlling such practices.
Speaking of APR, between Saban cutting guys and also having a talent level to where multiple players are leaving early for the NFL, it seems like Alabama would be getting hurt by the APR and could risk losing scholarships because of it. I have no idea how it is calculated, but it doesn't appear as though it is having an effect on Alabama at this point.
To be honest, I hope it doesn't, though. I could see how Saban would get screwed by it. For example (and let's be honest here), his job is to win at the highest level of college football. If he executes that, it means he his bringing in the best talent, which means he has an increased chance of losing that talent early to the NFL. So, in order to maintain a high level of talent in the program consistently, he needs to keep the talent pipeline wide open, and be able to reload after each season. In order to do that, he has to know that the talent coming up through the ranks is legit and ready to compete at any time. If they aren't, then he needs to get someone in there that can, so he cuts players. If the APR were to take a hit by it and he loses scholarships, then he is really a victim of his own success.
He has a proven system to win at the highest level of college football (his record at Michgan State, LSU, and Alabama is indisputable). And winning (above graduating players) is what pays his bills, bottom line, so I can't really fault him for that. The only thing that I don't agree with is the under-the-table shady recruiting tactics, paying players, etc. But that is something that goes way beyond Saban, it was happening before he ever coached his first college football game, and it will still be happening long after he is gone. He could probably take a stand against it (which would be very admirable), and it would ultimately cost him his job, but he chooses to work within the parameters of what is bigtime college football, IMO. While I don't condone it (and wish it could be extirpated from college athletics forever), I know that will never be the case and I can only feel so much dissatisfaction with methods.
Have to admit I am fine with it because nothing in life is guaranteed. If you don't perform at work your company will likely get rid of you. If you wanna play big time football you have to realize that everyday is a work day. I think if some of our players had that to worry about they would act a little different.
I maybe in the minority here but I don't think anything should be guaranteed other than first year. After that, you have to earn it. Same way I don't think a kid is wrong for leaving early. So if you choose to go to the top program and find out when you get there, you are not as good, then you should be expected to get cut. Its the same way with college courses. Look at how many student start VT in engineering, hit the weeder course, drop to another major. Its just part of life and good to learn it early.
Programs that are selling that you are guaranteed your spot all the way through getting your degree are fine in doing so and that is a marketing technique that can be effective. But if you are Bama, you don't need to do that. You simply say we are the best and if you think you are and want to play with the best come on down. Nothing guaranteed, in fact if you are that good, you will be leaving early anyway.
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